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<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>As the wheels fall off time’s winged chariot and Old Father Time is evicted from his nursing home;</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>And as the <em>Partygoer of Unquenchable Thirst</em>  prepares to meet the Office <em>Party of Bitter Experience,</em> it’s that time of the year again: the annual review.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For me, there seems to have been only one story this year and that is the proposed reforms to employment law. Well, and the abolition of retirement and the introduction of the Agency Workers Regulations I suppose, but despite these developments the government spent all year initiating consultations and reviews and calls for evidence on how to &#8220;rebalance&#8221; the workplace, where the delicate balance of employee rights versus employer obligations seemed to have toppled over in favour of the worker and the economy was in danger of collapse as a result – or was that because of the Eurozone crisis and a double-dip recession?  No one seemed quite clear but something must be done and giving the workers a good flogging, metaphorically if not literally, always boosts morale.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And last month, after several more of speculation, leaks and gossip, it all started to <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/12/05/the-most-radical-employment-law-reforms-for-decades-or-a-spectacular-own-goal/">take shape:</a>    unfair dismissal rights will take a year longer to acquire, <a href="http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/employment-tribunal-fees-could-run-thousands">fees will be needed</a> before you can issue proceedings or go to trial and HM Courts and Tribunal Service can reduce the size of their furniture bill by only requiring one Judge, rather than three to hear the remaining unfair dismissal cases. We might also end up with <a href="http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2011/11/23/58169/protected-conversations-will-not-allow-employers-to-discriminate-says.html">Protected Conversations</a>, which will supposedly allow employers and employees to have full and frank chats about problems in their employment relationship and sort things out without the need for throwing of toys and rushing off in a sulk to an Employment Tribunal.  Finally, we’ll also have a shedload more consultations and calls for evidence.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As we end the year those perennial favourite, pay awards for top executives and bankers bonuses made an unwelcome return to the front pages.  Nick Clegg said in a rather unwise comment that he abhorred overpaid people getting paid too much. Risky given his record I’d have thought. Christmas party articles   - there have been the usual seasonal glut.  I managed to restrain myself this year, mainly to avoid falling foul of the Twitteratti, who took agin them. You know the type: the office party is still the workplace, don’t photocopy your bottom, fondle members of the opposite sex , or get drunk and then have a most definitely <strong>Unprotected Conversation</strong> with your boss/colleague/subordinate.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But aside from all that, did anything else actually happen in UK employment law? Somewhat worryingly a couple of my employment lawyer friends were made redundant (ok, not a representative sample I know), suggesting that the popular perception that employment lawyers are submerged with work and thus raking it in may be rather wide of the mark.  I was even forced to cancel my order for a new Aston Martin and I got rid of the personal jet some time ago.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Redundancy has been a constant issue this year.  Not only has the government put forward proposals to simplify the consultation requirements, but as an article  in December’s ELA Briefing put it, there have been a number of cases involving redundancy that definitely advantage employers.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Small businesses in particular are supposed to find making redundancies difficult and are concerned about getting the procedures wrong. The position has eased since the statutory dismissal and grievance procedures were repealed in 2009 and the current ACAS Code of Practice excludes redundancies from its scope.  Employers still have consultation obligations, but the penalty for getting it wrong is nowhere near as bad as it was since the automatic uplift was abolished.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Disgruntled employees often complain that a fair procedure wasn’t followed, that they were scored wrongly against the criteria used or the criteria was flawed in some way.  In <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2011/0374_10_0905.html ">Dabson v David Cover &amp; Sons Ltd</a></span> it was held that the marks awarded by an employer in a selection exercise should only be investigated “where there was an absence of good faith or obvious error”.  That is a high burden for an employee to overcome, even where there are problems with the selection process.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Many redundancy situations involve a reorganisation or restructuring of the business, so not only is it a question of selecting whom is to depart but who is to be redeployed into a new role.  Arguments often arise over whether the new role is really different or the person appointed is suitably qualified, especially when two colleagues are competing for one consolidated role.  These issues arose in <a href="http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2011/0314_10_0701.html">Morgan v The Welsh Rugby Union </a> and it was held that the employer hadn&#8217;t acted unfairly, even though they seemed to make a complete mess of the whole process.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Some other stuff did happen, aside from redundancy.  In October, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15127835">retirement was finally abolished</a>, so if you are still lucky enough to have a job you’ll probably be in it until you die.  The default retirement age of 65 has been consigned to the long grass and now an employer cannot ask an employee to retire just on the basis of their age. Instead the individual can carry on working until they choose to pack it in.  Actually this isn’t quite the whole story: a business can have a retirement age but they will need to be able to justify it otherwise they might get sued for age discrimination unless, of course they can have a productive Protected Conversation  (they can’t, not if it circumvents discrimination legislation).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Also in October we had the introduction of the <a href="http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1873">Agency Workers Regulations</a>, which give those workers with contracts of employment with a job agency but who actually toil for an “end user” elsewhere a modicum of protection on pay and benefits after 12 weeks continuous service.  The government has already committed to reviewing the Regulations in a couple of years time, mainly to keep the business lobby quiet.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The list of potentially protectable beliefs under the Religion and Philosophy part of the Equality Act was added to, with belief in “Green issues” established last year by <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Grainger PLC v Nicholson</span>, being joined by a belief in the ethos of the</p>
<div id="attachment_2805" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 160px"><a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/hashmanimages.jpg"><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-2805" title="hashmanimages" src="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/hashmanimages-150x150.jpg" alt="hashmanimages 150x150 Review of 2011   Radical Reforms,  Unprotected Conversations & More   unfair dismissal social media redundancy " width="150" height="150" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Joe Hashman</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BBC, and being fervently opposed to fox hunting (<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/09/hunt-saboteur-joe-hashman-landmark-ruling">Hashman v Orchard Park Garden Centre</a></span>).   However wearing a poppy isn’t a protected belief (<a href="http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/in-practice/practice-points/belief-animal-welfare-protects-employee">Lisk v Shield Guardian</a>)  and a former soldier who was not allowed to wear a poppy at work failed in his case because the “cause” (recognising the sacrifice of others) was too narrow to be recognised as a philosophical belief.  I<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/16/bondage-bdsm-consensual-slavery">n August Bedford Employment Tribunal refused to accept that BDSM (Bondage, Domination and Sado-Masochism) was a protected belief.</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If the thought of BDSM has you wincing in pain or shaking your head in disgust or disbelief, consider also the recent report in the Irish Independent that says more and more men of a certain age are undergoing “<a href="http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-irishmen-paying-a-fortune-to-look-good-2954488.html">nip and tuck</a>” jobs to compete with younger men, not just in the dating market but the workplace jungle as well.   Is this proof that age discrimination still lurks unchecked or welcome evidence that finally gender equality has hit the workplace and now men are just as vulnerable to being judged by their looks as women have always been? And would a session with Miss Whiplash hurt more than having the spare tyre round one’s middle surgically removed?</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Back in February Nurse Laura Bowater made the <a href="http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227244">headlines </a> after she was sacked for making a lewd comment at work. Thankfully she won her case, but not before getting to the Court of Appeal. I <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/02/10/can-you-joke-in-the-workplace/ ">covered it in February</a> and considered whether the result would have been different had she made her comment on Facebook (I think it would).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Saying something in the heat of the moment and then living to regret it is the usual theme when social media collides with employment law. This year has seen several cases of this sort, with freedom of speech colliding with reputational damage and no clear winner emerging. The underlying message for some time has been that employers need to have a social media policy to govern employees’ use of it.  This is particularly an issue where the comment is posted on (usually) Facebook; from an employee’s own PC or smartphone in their own time.  Most employers worry about reputational damage to them from such comments and seek to protect themselves accordingly.  However two cases showed the difficulties that can still arise.  In <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/tag/crisp-v-apple-retail/ ">Crisp v Apple Retail</a> an employee was held to have been fairly dismissed for making derogatory comments about Apple products.  Apple’s social media policy (which was subsequently leaked) prohibited any comment at all on either Apple or its products.  The comments were of an abusive (but not excessively so) nature and made comments critical of certain apple products.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, in <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/03/27/misuse-of-social-media-won’t-always-be-grounds-for-summary-dismissal/">Stephens v Halfords PLC</a>,   the Claimant was dismissed for posting critical comments on a company Facebook page following plans by Halfords to restructure, which would have meant working longer hours. Halfords has a social media policy which prohibited adverse comments and disclosure of confidential information. He  was dismissed for gross misconduct, but was finally held to have been unfairly dismissed. Halfords were criticised for undue reliance on the social media policy?  How do you reconcile these two cases? Is it the particular drafting ?  Or the fact that Stephens was apologetic and contrite whereas Crisp wasn’t? Or is it because Apple ‘s brand image is stronger than Halfords and thus deserves more protection in these instances?  I would hope it isn’t the latter because how then can you advise clients caught in this situation?  It isn’t for an Employment Tribunal to assess the strength of a brand: how could they? Does it mean that if you work for a small company that relatively few people will have heard of, you can get say more and get away with it? In none of the cases I’ve seen has actual reputational damage been proved to have occurred to the employer – either from customers or suppliers. These cases are all about the risk of damage occurring.  The law is uncertain and needs to be clarified.  Expect more cases next year.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">One further issue on social media usage involving the workplace: Crisp v Apple confirmed that comments made on Facebook were public even if your privacy settings are set to maximum privacy.  The internet is not a private space because anyone linked to you can retweet or repost your comment. Also, never trust a “friend” on Facebook – they are usually the ones who bring the offending article to the attention of management.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The debate over s.147 EqA died down.  At the end of last year there was panic (mainly amongst Respondent lawyers) over the question of whether compromise agreements could validly dismiss a claim under the EqA because of some allegedly faulty drafting. Opinions from Learned Counsel were obtained arguing it both ways and the government talked about amending the legislation to remove the ambiguity.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The “Johnson Exclusion Zone” hoved into view following Judgment by the Supreme Court in the conjoined cases of Edwards and Botham.  For the best explanation I have read of what the cases mean turn to Laurie Anstis’  <a href="http://worklifelaw.co.uk/2011/12/entering-the-johnson-exclusion-area-edwards-v-chesterfield-botham-v-ministry-of-defence/">WorkLifeLaw blog post</a>   on the subject. As Laurie says, any employment law decision of the Supreme Court deserves attention, but when it is a court comprised of seven of their Lordships (a full house in other words), it must be hot stuff.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Then the case of <a href="http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/media/judgments/2011/dr-michalak-v-mid-yorkshire-hospitals-nhs-trust-others-tribunal-decision">Michalak v Mid-Yorkshire NHS Trust</a> hit the headlines last</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">week, with possibly the <a href=" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074963/Top-woman-doctor-awarded-staggering-4-5-MILLION-hounded-job-baby.html">largest ever discrimination payout</a> to a former Consultant for unfair dismissal, sex and race discrimination.  The Daily Mail reported that the award would have funded an extra 210 nurses – maybe so, but wouldn’t it be better if employers stamped down on this type of behaviour in the first place instead of allowing a situation to develop where a woman’s career was ruined? It always seems ironic to me that NHS Trusts and Local Authorities etc usually have lengthy diversity and anti-bullying policies, yet when there is a horrendous case like this it more often than not seems to be against a public sector employer.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">What’s to look forward to in the New Year apart from more pounds round the middle, fewer pounds in the pocket and a long haul through to half-decent weather in the Spring?  There should be some cases on employment status coming through.  In the case of <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063158/Stripper-forced-nude-lap-dances-Peter-Stringfellows-friends-free.html">Nadine Quashie</a>, the ex-Stringfellows lapdancer, who has been given permission to appeal the decision that she was not an employee, that should be heard at some point in the New Year.    The decision of the Court of Appeal (again about employment status) in <a href="http://www.employmentcasesupdate.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed6853">Tiffin v Lester Aldridge</a>  has already (I understand) been heard and the Judgment should be handed down in the next couple of months as well. That may say some interesting things about the nature of partnerships and LLPs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">No doubt the first cases on age discrimination and retirement will start to trickle through and expect a glut of articles on managing employee absences during a certain sporting event next July.  I predict the emergence of a new workplace syndrome – “Olympic Fatigue”, affecting workers caught up on tubes, buses and roads by the vast increase in sports fans and bureaucrats travelling between venues and events, leading to unauthorised absences, stress and illness.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">That’s it for now, my unscientific and highly personal round up of what caught my eye over the year.  I’d be delighted to have your comments or responses too, so please feel free to let me know how you saw 2011.  It only remains me for me to thank all of you who read the blog and leave kind comments.  It is very much appreciated, believe me.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I wish you all a very Happy Christmas and prosperous, non-litigious and lawyer-free New Year (unless you happen to be one or married to one, of course).</p>
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<p>Last week the government announced various plans for reforming employment law. I&#8217;ll be writing about them shortly&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder if the employee above has just been made aware of his &#8220;Compensated No Fault Dismissal&#8221; package?</p>
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		<title>Why Agency Workers Should Expect a P45 for Christmas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2011/11/14/58145/agency-workers-regulations-leading-to-cuts-in-temporary.html">Personnel Today</a>, citing the <a href="http://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases/2011/11/private-sector-jobs-growth-continues-but-serious-risks-remain-cbi-harvey-nash/">CBI Employment Trends report</a>, reports that the Agency Workers Regulations (AWR) that came into force on 1<sup>st</sup> October, have apparently led to employers reducing the number of temporary workers they employ.  The CBI calls for an “early review” of the AWR to ensure it is not making the UK uncompetitive and to remove any “gold-plating”.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The AWR provides that Agency Workers must be given equal pay and conditions once they have achieved 12 weeks service with the end user.  They weren’t retrospective, so it is only service since 1<sup>st</sup> October 2011 that counts, meaning that any employers wanting to avoid the impact of the AWR will have to terminate temporary workers’ contracts by next 24<sup>th</sup> December, being the 12<sup>th</sup> week since the AWR came into force.  I was speaking to someone the other day in just this situation. Note the date.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">What remedies does the temporary worker have, if their contract is terminated in these circumstances?  Not much is my view, assuming that there are no allegations of discrimination involved in the termination.  The problem with the AWR is that it doesn’t resolve the issue, highlighted in cases like <a href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2004/217.html">Dacas v Brook Street</a> and <a href="http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2006/0006_06_1812.html">James v Greenwich Borough Council,</a> of whom the worker should sue in the event that they feel they have been unfairly dismissed.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In these cases, the worker will usually have signed a contract for service that states he or she is self-employed.  The employment business (ie the recruitment agency) will have a separate contract with the business that needs the work doing and the worker will probably not even have a copy of that agreement.  The worker will, of course, be working for the end-user and the only link they will have with the employment business will be the time sheet they submit and the payslip they receive at the end of the month.  Consequently, if the end user decides they no longer need the worker they can end the contract when they want.  The worker is not employed by the end user (although in some limited cases it may be possible to argue that there was an implied contract of employment between the two but that is very fact sensitive) and is not employed by the employment business, meaning that they have no protection from unfair dismissal.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is not usually an issue for genuinely temporary workers because they won’t acquire the required 12 months continuous employment experience in the first place.  But some “temporary” workers can spend years working for an end user and they are in a vulnerable position.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the current climate of reducing red tape and reforming the UK’s supposedly onerous laws don’t expect that to change.</p>
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		<title>The Brodie Clark Resignation</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The Head of the UK Border Force, Mr Brodie Clark, resigned on Tuesday, reportedly in reaction to comments by the Home Secretary that blamed him for a relaxation of biometric and anti-terrorism checks over the summer.  Mr Clark had been suspended a few days previously over the matter.</p>
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<p>He disputes any wrongdoing and has stated that Ms May’s comments were misleading and had amounted to a campaign of public vilification against him, such that he would not receive a fair hearing. One Home Office source called him a “rogue civil servant”.    According to reports in the media Home Office lawyers are telling Ms May that he has a good case and is likely to win. In his <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8878228/Brodie-Clarks-resignation-statement-in-full.html">resignation statement</a> he said</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;I am anxious to take part in any independent inquiry into matters relating to UK Border Agency but my position at UKBA had been made untenable because of the statements made in the House of Commons by the Home Secretary Theresa May.</em></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;Those statements are wrong and were made without the benefit of hearing my response to formal allegations. With the Home Secretary announcing and repeating her view that I am at fault, I cannot see how any process conducted by the Home Office or under its auspices, can be fair and balanced.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">He therefore resigned and said he intends to claim constructive dismissal. Constructive Dismissal is a claim for breach of contract, specifically wrongful dismissal (it may also be an unfair dismissal, but that is a separate claim). More specifically it is defined in the Employment Rights Act 1996 at s.95(1) (c) as an employee resigning</p>
<p style="text-align: justify; padding-left: 30px;"><em>“in circumstances such that he is entitled to terminate [the contract of employment] without notice by reason of the Employer’s conduct”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"> The employee effectively is saying that the employer has fundamentally broken the terms of the employment contract and is accepting that breach by resigning in response.  That could either be a written term (i.e failure to pay salary for instance) or an implied term, of which there are several.  Mr Clark was suspended, no doubt whilst an investigation into his alleged conduct was carried out, but because most disciplinary procedures are not contractually binding, he probably can’t rely on breach of it and suspension isn’t of itself a disciplinary measure anyway.<a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Theresa-May-007.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2656" title="Theresa-May-007" src="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Theresa-May-007.jpg" alt="Theresa May 007 The Brodie Clark Resignation   unfair dismissal news constructive dismissal " width="322" height="193" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">He is probably relying on the implied term of mutual trust and confidence in claiming the employment contract has been repudiated. That is an unwritten term that exists in every employment contract and where an employer, without reasonable and proper cause, acts in “a manner calculated or likely to destroy or seriously damage the relationship of trust and confidence between employer and employee” such as treating the employee in a degrading or demoralising way, or bullying or harassing an employee (especially in public) that may well constitute a fundamental breach of the term.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Because Mr Clark was on a fixed term contract, he will probably claim for the unexpired portion of salary and benefits from the date of the repudiation of his resignation to the date the contract would have expired.  How much he gets will therefore depend on how many months his contract had to run.  At a reported salary of £130,000 per annum it could be a fairly large sum of money.  As a breach of contract claim and probably worth more than £25,000 (the upper limit for breach of contract claims in the ET) he will bring it in the High Court.  He may also bring a claim for unfair dismissal, but that would be limited to the upper cap on compensation of £68,400 plus a Basic Award based on age and length of service.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The burden of proof in a wrongful dismissal claim is on the Claimant, Mr Clark.  If he can show that he resigned in response to the alleged breach by the government (and that there wasn’t some other, as yet unknown, fact in the background) then his looks like a good claim.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Politicians of both main parties have got themselves mixed up in messy employment disputes in the past.  Most recently Ed Balls waded in to the Baby P tragedy at Haringay Council by sacking <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sharon-shoesmith-in-line-for-compensation-2330560.html">Sharon Shoesmith</a>, exposing the tax payer to a potentially very significant compensation award..  Before that, in 1995, Michael Howard sacked the then governor of the Prison Service Derek Lewis for allegedly failing to meet targets on prison escapes. He sued and won a substantial award.  Click here for an interesting analysis on the <a href="http://whitehallwatch.org/2011/11/08/theresa-may-deja-vu-all-over-again/">Whitehall Watch</a> blog drawing a comparison between the May and Howard situations.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em> Plus ça change, plus c&#8217;est la même chose?</em> Perhaps politicians should learn not to shoot from the lip in these situations in future?</p>
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		<title>Derogatory “Private” Comments on Facebook Not Unfair Dismissal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; A trickle of Employment Tribunal cases are coming through on dismissals associated with inappropriate or derogatory comments on Facebook.  The most recent, being Crisp v Apple Retail Ltd (unreported, as far as I can see) which held that an employee who posted (unspecified) derogatory comments about Apple and its products on a “private” [...]
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<p style="text-align: justify;">A trickle of Employment Tribunal cases are coming through on dismissals associated with inappropriate or derogatory comments on Facebook.  The most recent, being Crisp v Apple Retail Ltd (unreported, as far as I can see) which held that an employee who posted (unspecified) derogatory comments about Apple and its products on a “private” Facebook page outside of his working hours was not unfairly dismissed for gross misconduct.  I would be interested to see the Judgment rather than just the brief summary in <a href="http://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/pm/articles/2011/10/crisp-v-apple-retail.htm">People Management Magazine</a> (useful though that is) if anyone has it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The key points were;</p>
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<li style="text-align: justify;">The employee made derogatory comments about the products and the company, which were in breach of Apple&#8217;s  social media policy which strictly prohibited commentary (critical or otherwise it seems) on the brand.</li>
<li style="text-align: justify;"> The fact that the comments were made on a “private” Facebook page (whatever that is exactly, I’m not sure) was no defence because the “friends” who did have access were able to read, copy and disseminate the comments more widely.  The employee wasn’t able to rely on breach of his right to privacy under article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998 – anything put on Facebook (and other social media platforms) isn’t private, by definition.  The case of <a href="http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/uk/cases/UKEAT/2003/1224_02_2910.html&amp;query=Pay+and+v+and+Probation+and+Service&amp;method=boolean">Pay v Lancashire Probation Service</a> established this point back in 2003.</li>
<li style="text-align: justify;"> The employee could not succeed with his claim under Article 10 of the HRA  1998 that his right to freedom of expression was infringed because Apple were able to argue that his dismissal was a justified and proportionate response in order to protect its commercial reputation.  Again, this point was established in Pay.</li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">It seems that the employee hoped that the fact he had set his “privacy” settings to limit the circulation of his status updates and posts would be enough to protect him.  This case is a reminder to employees that it won’t be: once a comment is posted it is out there and any “friend” (in this case a colleague) could pass the message on outside the restricted circle of friends. Indeed, this seems to be how all these Facebook cases arise, when a so-called &#8220;friend&#8221; actually grasses up the unfortunate employee.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The report in People Management Magazine says that this shows the importance of employers having a comprehensive social media policy.  I agree with that and have said as much many times before on this blog and elsewhere, but it doesn&#8217;t end there. Compare this decision with that given in <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/03/27/misuse-of-social-media-won%E2%80%99t-always-be-grounds-for-summary-dismissal/">Stephens v Halfords Retail PLC</a> a few months ago, where comments made by an employee about the proposed restructuring were not sufficient to warrant dismissal for gross misconduct.  In that instance Halfords also had a social media policy that prevented adverse comments, yet they were seen to have acted unreasonably in dismissing Mr Stephens. How can the two be reconciled?  Does it depend on the strength of the brand?  If you&#8217;re an unloved company can your employers be more critical of you than if you&#8217;re a much respected (in Apple&#8217;s case, adored) business?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The crucial point is in establishing that the organisations reputation or commercial interests are damaged by the comments.  In Crisp, Apple was able to persuade the ET that they were.  Sadly we don’t know what Crisp wrote and that is a major problem in analysing the case further.  But if he had made reasoned criticisms of Apple, rather than merely abusive ones, it is a worrying decision.  Of course, this is only an ET case and doesn’t set a binding precedent, but the whole issue of whether a business’s commercial interests are damaged by comments made on social media is something that needs a great deal more clarity.</p>
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<li><a href='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/08/20/riots-looting-and-unfair-dismissal/' rel='bookmark' title='Riots, Looting and Unfair Dismissal'>Riots, Looting and Unfair Dismissal</a></li>
<li><a href='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2010/09/17/unfair-dismissal-what-if-the-employer-can%e2%80%99t-pay/' rel='bookmark' title='Unfair Dismissal: What if the Employer Can’t Pay?'>Unfair Dismissal: What if the Employer Can’t Pay?</a></li>
</ol></p><p><a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/11/02/derogatory-%e2%80%9cprivate%e2%80%9d-comments-on-facebook-not-unfair-dismissal/" rel="bookmark">Derogatory “Private” Comments on Facebook Not Unfair Dismissal</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk">Jobsworth by Michael Scutt</a> on 02/11/2011.</p>
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		<title>Protected Conversations? Protecting Who?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The headlines were grabbed yesterday by the leak of the Beecroft report’s proposal to abolish unfair dismissal in capability cases. Only slightly less newsworthy was Nick Clegg (the Lib Dem Deputy PM, leader of the supposedly caring party of government) announcing proposals to allow employers to have “protected conversations” with employees.  This is all part [...]
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The headlines were grabbed yesterday by the leak of the <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/10/26/unfair-dismissal-to-be-abolished/">Beecroft report’s</a> proposal to abolish unfair dismissal in capability cases. Only slightly less newsworthy was <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8848487/Older-and-underperforming-workers-face-sack.html">Nick Clegg</a> (the Lib Dem Deputy PM, leader of the supposedly caring party of government) announcing proposals to allow employers to have “protected conversations” with employees.  This is all part of the same agenda to cut red tape for business and to allow employers to get rid of underperforming workers and, interestingly, to discuss retirement with older workers, without the fear of being hauled off to an ET.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">At the moment some employers try to have “without prejudice” conversations with an employee where things are going wrong but, strictly speaking, without prejudice only provides privilege from disclosure if it is an attempt to settle a dispute. An initial discussion to say “you’re not up to the job” or “here is a compromise agreement, take it and leave or otherwise we’ll discipline you” wouldn’t be covered.  A “Protected Conversation” presumably intends to cover these preliminary discussions prior to the actual settlement negotiations, if it ever gets that far.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Other employers might want to suggest having an “off the record” conversation, but nothing is ever really off the record and this only works if both parties want it to.  So, as a method of dispute resolution or even dispute prevention, in principle it isn’t a bad idea.  I just wonder how it would actually work in practice.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Rick, from Flip Chart Fairy Tales has written an excellent blog on the subject – <a href="http://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/protected-conversations-another-non-runner/">click here</a> – and I won’t repeat the points he makes. XPert HR has also blogged giving <a href="http://www.xperthr.co.uk/blogs/employment-tribunal-watch/2011/10/nick-cleggs-protected-conversations-proposal-15-reasons-why-this-wont-work.html">15 reasons why protected conversations won’t work</a>. Reason number 8 is worth careful consideration: you can just see this being abused. Reason number 3 is also very valid.  The abolition of retirement is not yet a year old and already the government is looking for ways to circumvent it.  Expect challenges under European legislation if protected conversations are brought into law.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The government should have learned its lesson from the 2004 statutory dispute regulations – on paper they looked simple enough but in practice were a complete nightmare and had to be abolished in 2009.  What often looks like common sense as a headline grabbing initiative, actually proves unworkable once put into practice. Employers will probably come to find them not the solution  they thought them to be once the actual details are in place &#8211; which will be hugely complicated and will need a whole HR department to make them work. Far from cutting red tape it will increase it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">We’re promised a “major package of employment law in the autumn aimed at helping business, including reform to employment tribunals” – it will be well worth the wait.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; Twitter, well the bits of it I frequent anyway, have been abuzz with comments on the leaked Beecroft report which proposes abolishing unfair dismissal in capability cases.  I blogged on it this morning &#8211; click here. Amidst all the tweets announcing the news there were some interesting and amusing comments, which I&#8217;ve collected [...]
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<p>Twitter, well the bits of it I frequent anyway, have been abuzz with comments on the leaked Beecroft report which proposes abolishing unfair dismissal in capability cases.  I blogged on it this morning &#8211; <a href="http://michaelscutt.co.uk/2011/10/26/unfair-dismissal-to-be-abolished/">click here</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Amidst all the tweets announcing the news there were some interesting and amusing comments, which I&#8217;ve collected below.  Most tweets I have seen are against the plans, a few make the point that the real issue is one of management and a few support it.  This is only a brief snapshot and I didn&#8217;t set out to try and gauge public opinion, although it seems those in favour are in the minority.</p>
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<!-- tweet id : 129095855046275072 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129095855046275072 a { text-decoration:none; color:#009999; }#bbpBox_129095855046275072 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129095855046275072' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#131516; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/images/themes/theme14/bg.gif);'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Unfair dismissal law protects people who've been dismissed UNFAIRLY. Anyone wanting to scrap that law, ipso facto, supports unfairness.</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 7:23 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/garyslapper/status/129095855046275072' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 7:23 am</a> via <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/download/iphone" rel="nofollow" target="blank">Twitter for iPhone</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129095855046275072' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129095855046275072' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129095855046275072' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=garyslapper'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1499750248/195479_100002176060603_2312287_n_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="195479 100002176060603 2312287 n normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=garyslapper'>@garyslapper</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Gary  Slapper</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129187329167470592 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129187329167470592 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129187329167470592 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129187329167470592' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#C0DEED; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/images/themes/theme1/bg.png); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Lawyers slam government plans to restrict unfair dismissal claims <a href="http://t.co/5HazNNaV" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/5HazNNaV</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 1:27 pm' href='http://twitter.com/#!/TheLawyermag/status/129187329167470592' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 1:27 pm</a> via <a href="http://bit.ly" rel="nofollow" target="blank">bitly</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129187329167470592' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129187329167470592' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129187329167470592' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=TheLawyermag'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1119070331/thelawyer_normal.gif' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="thelawyer normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=TheLawyermag'>@TheLawyermag</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>The Lawyer</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129177270794457088 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129177270794457088 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129177270794457088 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129177270794457088' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#C0DEED; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/images/themes/theme1/bg.png); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>RT @<a href="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=paulcall1" class="twitter-action">paulcall1</a>: Time to have a "protected conversation" and fire this govt without compensation? <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 12:47 pm' href='http://twitter.com/#!/JoEmpLawyer/status/129177270794457088' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 12:47 pm</a> via <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/download/iphone" rel="nofollow" target="blank">Twitter for iPhone</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129177270794457088' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129177270794457088' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129177270794457088' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=JoEmpLawyer'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1484320543/Jo_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="Jo normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=JoEmpLawyer'>@JoEmpLawyer</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Joanna Martin</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129132439896461312 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129132439896461312 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_129132439896461312 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129132439896461312' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#C6E2EE; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/images/themes/theme2/bg.gif); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#663B12; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Economy will only recover if I am allowed to act outside the band of reasonable responses. <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23fail" title="#fail">#fail</a> (may contain satire)</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 9:49 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/MrsMarkleham/status/129132439896461312' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 9:49 am</a> via <a href="http://www.hootsuite.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">HootSuite</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129132439896461312' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129132439896461312' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129132439896461312' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=MrsMarkleham'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/719256949/old_lady002_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="old lady002 normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=MrsMarkleham'>@MrsMarkleham</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Mrs Markleham</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129133343945129984 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129133343945129984 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129133343945129984 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129133343945129984' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#C0DEED; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/images/themes/theme1/bg.png); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Govt. looking at scrapping unfair dismissal -one way of ending dispute about proposed Employment Tribunal fees. <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 9:52 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/kerry_underwood/status/129133343945129984' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 9:52 am</a> via web<a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129133343945129984' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129133343945129984' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129133343945129984' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=kerry_underwood'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1475899065/kerryunderwood_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="kerryunderwood normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=kerry_underwood'>@kerry_underwood</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Kerry Underwood</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129131144330493952 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129131144330493952 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129131144330493952 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129131144330493952' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#022330; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/images/themes/theme15/bg.png); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Sacking employees is like doing housework - Should unfair disimissal laws be scrapped? - <a href="http://t.co/bUTvlMHR" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/bUTvlMHR</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 9:43 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/MattHuddleson/status/129131144330493952' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 9:43 am</a> via web<a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129131144330493952' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129131144330493952' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129131144330493952' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=MattHuddleson'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1285754816/101_3664_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="101 3664 normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=MattHuddleson'>@MattHuddleson</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Matt Huddleson</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129109244648767488 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129109244648767488 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0099B9; }#bbpBox_129109244648767488 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129109244648767488' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#ffffff; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/212445820/burt-rgb.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#3C3940; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>RT @<a href="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=MJCarty" class="twitter-action">MJCarty</a>: Great post! <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23hrblogs" title="#hrblogs">#hrblogs</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a> RT @<a href="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=FlipChartRick" class="twitter-action">FlipChartRick</a>: Abolishing unfair dismissal will achieve nothing <a href="http://t.co/wUTTYiZF" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/wUTTYiZF</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 8:16 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/DazNewman/status/129109244648767488' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 8:16 am</a> via <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">TweetDeck</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129109244648767488' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129109244648767488' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129109244648767488' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=DazNewman'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/719567837/Darren_photo_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="Darren photo normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=DazNewman'>@DazNewman</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Darren Newman</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129105861107908608 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129105861107908608 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129105861107908608 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129105861107908608' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#C0DEED; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/profile_background_images/168243833/Archon_LLP_logo_small.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Instead of Compensated No Fault Dismissal we shd do more of what @<a href="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Queen_UK" class="twitter-action">Queen_UK</a> refers to as "Motivational Bollocking" <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23hr" title="#hr">#hr</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 8:03 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/ARCHONemplaw/status/129105861107908608' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 8:03 am</a> via <a href="http://www.hootsuite.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">HootSuite</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129105861107908608' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129105861107908608' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129105861107908608' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ARCHONemplaw'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/628530400/Archon_LLP_logo_small_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="Archon LLP logo small normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ARCHONemplaw'>@ARCHONemplaw</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Archon Solicitors</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129096696469786624 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129096696469786624 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0099B9; }#bbpBox_129096696469786624 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129096696469786624' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#ffffff; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/212445820/burt-rgb.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#3C3940; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Thing is, although the 'compensated no fault dismissal' is fiendish and wrong  - I can at least see how it would work.  <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukemplaw" title="#ukemplaw">#ukemplaw</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 7:27 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/DazNewman/status/129096696469786624' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 7:27 am</a> via <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">TweetDeck</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129096696469786624' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129096696469786624' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129096696469786624' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=DazNewman'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/719567837/Darren_photo_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="Darren photo normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=DazNewman'>@DazNewman</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Darren Newman</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129143981689933824 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129143981689933824 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129143981689933824 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129143981689933824' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#9AE4E8; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/images/themes/theme16/bg.gif); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>RT @<a href="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=LaurenREdwards" class="twitter-action">LaurenREdwards</a>: It's the Coalition's economic policies that are undermining growth, NOT unfair dismissal laws <a href="http://t.co/PxSt1VDU" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PxSt1VDU</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 10:34 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/martinhume/status/129143981689933824' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 10:34 am</a> via <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/download/iphone" rel="nofollow" target="blank">Twitter for iPhone</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129143981689933824' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129143981689933824' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129143981689933824' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=martinhume'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1164508041/PICT0061_4_normal.JPG' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt=" The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=martinhume'>@martinhume</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Martin Hume</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129141719282352130 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129141719282352130 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0620a3; }#bbpBox_129141719282352130 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129141719282352130' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#deafaf; background-image:url(http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/342490517/Tacticks_Full.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Now a new report commisioned by the PM suggest scrapping unfair dismissal completely for performance issues - what next David the workhouse?</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 10:25 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/Tacticks/status/129141719282352130' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 10:25 am</a> via web<a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129141719282352130' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129141719282352130' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129141719282352130' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Tacticks'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1537523266/webphoto_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="webphoto normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Tacticks'>@Tacticks</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Steve Ferns</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129086774189363200 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129086774189363200 a { text-decoration:none; color:#124d3c; }#bbpBox_129086774189363200 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129086774189363200' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#000000; background-image:url(http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/349755910/twitter_bg_Young_Apprentice_20_Oct.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#0a1945; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>PM wants to change rules for employer to chuck people out for being lazy. I agree, problem is define lazy- still be unfair dismissal claims</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 6:47 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/Lord_Sugar/status/129086774189363200' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 6:47 am</a> via <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/download/ipad" rel="nofollow" target="blank">Twitter for iPad</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129086774189363200' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129086774189363200' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129086774189363200' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Lord_Sugar'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1082796646/Lord_sugar_pic_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="Lord sugar pic normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Lord_Sugar'>@Lord_Sugar</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Lord Sugar</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129154619422162944 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129154619422162944 a { text-decoration:none; color:#009999; }#bbpBox_129154619422162944 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129154619422162944' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#131516; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/images/themes/theme14/bg.gif);'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>"I think unproductive workers should lose their right to claim unfair dismissal!" said Roberto Mancini to Carlos Tevez</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 11:17 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/AndyRTodd/status/129154619422162944' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 11:17 am</a> via web<a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129154619422162944' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129154619422162944' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129154619422162944' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=AndyRTodd'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1339741192/4703_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="4703 normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=AndyRTodd'>@AndyRTodd</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Andy Todd</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129150508148588544 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129150508148588544 a { text-decoration:none; color:#088253; }#bbpBox_129150508148588544 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129150508148588544' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#EDECE9; background-image:url(http://a1.twimg.com/images/themes/theme3/bg.gif); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#634047; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>I hope EM goes on unfair dismissal stuff today. Cld be both toxic for govt and divisive for Tories. As well as being rather outrageous idea.</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 11:00 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/hopisen/status/129150508148588544' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 11:00 am</a> via <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">TweetDeck</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129150508148588544' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129150508148588544' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129150508148588544' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=hopisen'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/847808583/hopistwitter_normal.JPG' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt=" The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=hopisen'>@hopisen</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Hopi Sen</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129144343792594944 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129144343792594944 a { text-decoration:none; color:#8f2e2e; }#bbpBox_129144343792594944 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129144343792594944' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#f2eeef; background-image:url(http://a2.twimg.com/profile_background_images/203370778/x89ca11e10b4f00a722f126cf048e7aa.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#7b8894; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Call to ease unfair dismissal law - <a href="http://t.co/AZuLSlfz" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/AZuLSlfz</a>It's called 'Performance Management'. Do the job you're paid for</span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 10:36 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/_purplekitty_/status/129144343792594944' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 10:36 am</a> via <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">BBC News iPhone App</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129144343792594944' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129144343792594944' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129144343792594944' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_purplekitty_'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1564991679/image_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="image normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_purplekitty_'>@_purplekitty_</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>Kat</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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<!-- tweet id : 129144022127214595 --><style type='text/css'>#bbpBox_129144022127214595 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_129144022127214595 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }</style><div id='bbpBox_129144022127214595' class='bbpBox' style='padding:20px; margin:5px 0; background-color:#022330; background-image:url(http://a0.twimg.com/images/themes/theme15/bg.png); background-repeat:no-repeat'><div style='background:#fff; padding:10px; margin:0; min-height:48px; color:#333333; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;'><span style='width:100%; font-size:18px; line-height:22px;'>Unions condemn report calling for scrapping of unfair dismissal - The Guardian <a href="http://t.co/S3UKjWJs" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/S3UKjWJs</a></span><div class='bbp-actions' style='font-size:12px; width:100%; padding:5px 0; margin:0 0 10px 0; border-bottom:1px solid #e6e6e6;'><img align='middle' src='http://michaelscutt.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/twitter-blackbird-pie//images/bird.png' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="bird The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /><a title='tweeted on 26/10/2011 10:35 am' href='http://twitter.com/#!/ukworkersnews/status/129144022127214595' target='_blank'>26/10/2011 10:35 am</a> via <a href="http://twitterfeed.com" rel="nofollow" target="blank">twitterfeed</a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=129144022127214595' class='bbp-action bbp-reply-action' title='Reply'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Reply</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=129144022127214595' class='bbp-action bbp-retweet-action' title='Retweet'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Retweet</strong></span></a><a href='https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=129144022127214595' class='bbp-action bbp-favorite-action' title='Favorite'><span><em style='margin-left: 1em;'></em><strong>Favorite</strong></span></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ukworkersnews'><img style='width:48px; height:48px; padding-right:7px; border:none; background:none; margin:0' src='http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1024380885/offcatmp_normal.jpg' title="The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response photo" alt="offcatmp normal The Beecroft Report: The Twitter Response   unfair dismissal news " /></a></div><div style='float:left; padding:0; margin:0'><a style='font-weight:bold' href='http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ukworkersnews'>@ukworkersnews</a><div style='margin:0; padding-top:2px'>UK Workers News</div></div><div style='clear:both'></div></div></div><!-- end of tweet -->
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		<title>Unfair Dismissal to be Abolished?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Scutt</dc:creator>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The front cover of The Daily Telegraph today reports on how Wimpole Hall farm is setting up a “<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/8849543/EweTube-webcam-to-broadcast-rams-mating-adventures.html">Ram-Cam</a>” which will follow Paolo (an 18 month old ram) while he goes around mating on the farm.  The headline story though is “<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8849420/Give-firms-freedom-to-sack-unproductive-workers-leaked-Downing-Street-report-advises.html">Give firms freedom to sack their slackers</a>”, which discloses the existence of a confidential Downing Street report which recommends abolishing the law of unfair dismissal, thus being the second story about getting shafted on the Telegraph’s front page today.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The proposal comes from the Beecroft report, which David Cameron has commissioned to review UK employment law.  It identifies Britain’s “terrible” employment laws as undermining economic growth because it is too difficult and time consuming to sack “slackers”.  According to the Telegraph</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>“The report says that the unfair dismissal rules have made public bodies “reluctant to dismiss unsatisfactory employees”.”[They] therefore accept inefficiency that they would not tolerate if dismissal of unsatisfactory employees was easier”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>“A proportion of employees, secure in the knowledge that their employer will be reluctant to dismiss them, work at a level well below their true capacity; they coast along”</em></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The solution is to replace the rules on unfair dismissal with a concept called “Compensated No Fault Dismissal”, which would “<em>allow employers to sack unproductive staff with basic redundancy pay and notice”</em>.  However, in a seemingly rare moment of true insight Mr Beecroft is said to concede “that employers could then fire staff because they “did not like them”.  The wisdom of Solomon indeed!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This proposal, which is said to be favoured by No 10 and the Chancellor, is like many proposed reforms of supposedly unpopular laws.  It might look well and good from a high level, but just wait until it is you, or your wife, son, daughter, parent who is said to be slacking and thus sent packing.  It’s all very well when it’s someone else who is on the wrong end of the stick, but that is the essence of bad law. This is a fundamentally wrong proposal.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Currently there are only a limited number of fair reasons under s.98 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 for dismissing an employee.  Capability (which is what seems to be under threat here) is one, Conduct another and then Redundancy, “Some Other Substantial Reason” or if the employee could not continue to work in the position which he held without contravention (either on his part or on that of his employer) of a duty or restriction imposed by or under an enactment.  Presumably the latter four would continue to exist.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">To suggest that Capability would be replaced by “Compensated No Fault Dismissal” based on a redundancy payout is nonsense.  The roles aren’t redundant and, secondly, if it is proposed that the limit of compensation be restricted to the size of a redundancy payout (£400 or £600 per complete year of service) no one is going to be properly compensated.  Instead all this will achieve is that aggrieved employees will look for ways to bring whistleblowing or discrimination claims to avoid this regime (as they will if the qualifying period for unfair dismissal is increased to two years continuous employment) thus involving employers in more cost and expense.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Mr Beecroft’s concession that this would allow employers to get rid of the staff they don’t like is accurate.  In my experience as a Claimant employment lawyer personal dislike/animosity between line manager and employee is often the root cause of conflict in the workplace, even if it is ultimately dressed up as capability, conduct or redundancy.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The final report is said to be released next month.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">As a general rule of thumb employees would usually be well advised not to try this course of action, even as banter.  One employee, Mrs Doman, who had been a customer service adviser with the Royal Mail for nine years told her supervisor to “Fxxx Off” and was sacked for her pains.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The <a href="http://www.xperthr.co.uk/article/110427/in-the-employment-tribunals--september-2011.aspx#doman">brief summary I have read (thanks to XpertHR for it)</a> states that she was on a difficult telephone call to a customer when her acting line manager kept interrupting her, leading to the Claimant breaking down in tears (during the call), there then followed a “frank exchange of views” (that must be one of my favourite euphemisms of all time) and led to Mrs Doman uttering the fateful invitation. An investigation followed, Mrs Doman didn’t show contrition or apologise and was dismissed for misconduct. Bad language apparently wasn&#8217;t tolerated in this particular workplace.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The ET dismissed her claim for unfair dismissal on the basis that the employer’s decision was within the “range of reasonable responses test”.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So what you might say? That sort of language shouldn’t be tolerated in the workplace and serves her right.   This case doesn’t change the law at all. Much also depends on the nature of the workplace.  This sort of language might be tolerated on a building site but not in an office It does seem a bit harsh though.  Mrs Doman had nine years service and an unblemished record.  It looks like she was under pressure during the call and was reduced to tears during it, because of the interruptions apparently.  There was obviously a bust up at the end and I can’t help but feel from the summary that Mrs Doman was as much sinned against as sinning, but that wasn’t the view the ET took.    Her subsequent lack of contrition undoubtedly didn’t help and the Tribunal wasn’t interested in her claim that she had been under stress because she hadn’t told anyone at work that she was stressed.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to the summary Royal Mail succeeded by “a very slim margin” that the dismissal was within the range of reasonable responses.  The alternative approach would have been to find the dismissal unfair but to reduce by 90% the compensation paid to the employee for bringing the episode upon herself.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The alternative route would have been preferable but even that seems harsh in a modern environment where the “F&#8230;” word is bandied about on the streets, in schools (God help us) and, yes, in the workplace, with abandon.  Given all the circumstances of this case, with the contributory factors on both sides, I think the ET took a rather old-fashioned view.  It’s only a decision of the ET so it doesn’t create a precedent but short-tempered or plain speaking employees should take note.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Now that the riots have passed away, thanks in no small part to the rain and a lot of police, the inquests can start. And the legal proceedings.  Police cells in London are said to be full to brimming with rioters and Magistrates Courts sitting all night and all weekend to get through the numbers being prosecuted. The airwaves and news media are thick with demands for retribution against the participants, for benefits to be cut and for evictions from social housing. Last week the Evening Standard carried a front page alleging that a teaching assistant had been arrested for participating in the riots. More such stories will surely follow and whilst it would be wrong to speculate on what might happen to any one particular person, are the Employment Tribunals going to get very busy over the next few months dealing with dismissed employees, leaving aside the issue that many rioters may have been unemployed or, scarily, beneath working age.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Would an employer be justified in sacking someone for rioting or looting even though it was committed outside work and there was nothing to link that person to the business? Whilst the cries are being made for “justice” (of the distinctly rough and ready variety) it would be sensible for employers not to wade in with the P45s too soon.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Consider the case in 2000, of a post clerk caught on camera in a serious brawl after an Arsenal match.  He was subsequently identified in the newspapers as working for Consignia (remember that name?)  and was dismissed.  Crucially the reason for his dismissal was not for having taken part in the brawl but for having brought his employers into disrepute (through the ensuing publicity). However, it appears that he subsequently succeeded with a claim for unfair dismissal and reached a substantial settlement, helped it seems by the threat of London postmen going out on strike in support of him  Clearly an employer needs to move very carefully before dismissing in these circumstances.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Some employment contracts, especially at more senior levels or in high profile jobs, will provide that the employee will not do anything to bring the employer into disrepute, although it’s probably unlikely that many employees in well remunerated jobs were engaged in the riots.  So, in the absence of any contractual clauses how should employers approach this thorniest of difficulties?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Much will depend on the nature of the employee’s job and the type of offence for which they are convicted. Is the employer’s business likely to be impacted by the employee’s offence?  In 1994 in the case of <a href="http://www.britishcaselaw.co.uk/securicor-guarding-ltd-v-rouse-1994-ukeat-1004-93-1807-18-july-1994"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Securicor Guarding Ltd v Rouse</span> </a>the Appellant company had acted unfairly in dismissing a security guard prosecuted (but not convicted?) some years previously of sexually abusing children.  Securicor were criticised for not asking their customer what they thought of having to deal with the employee.  That seems like a slightly mad decision to me as asking customers to comment on the issue would presumably only bring the issue to the fore.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In a case on similar facts – <a href="http://www.britishcaselaw.co.uk/royal-life-estates-south-ltd-ta-fox-and-sons-v-campbell-1993-ukeat-914-92-2107-21-july-1993">Royal Life Estates(South) Ltd t/a Fox &amp; Sons v Campbell</a> – in 1993 the dismissal of a branch manager in a firm of estate agents who faced allegations of gross indecency – was held to be fair because it did not want to suffer damaging publicity. The difference?  In the latter case it seems that the employee admitted his guilt, whereas in the first the allegations were vehemently denied and it was accepted that the estate agency&#8217;s reputation might be harmed</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">An employer might be at risk if they move too quickly before the truth of the allegations is established.  That normally could cause a problem if the criminal proceedings drag on for months, as normally they would.  However, with the criminal justice system seems to be in overdrive at the moment with people being taken before the Beak and sent down quicker than you can say &#8220;Take him down&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In unfair dismissal cases there are two issues for the ET.  Firstly, what was the reason for dismissal and, secondly, was it reasonable for the employer to rely upon that reason in dismissing the employee?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In respect of the first issue, in misconduct cases it is for the employer to prove that the employee was dismissed for that reason.  There is a three stage test laid down by the case of <a href="http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/1978/108_78_2007.html ">British Home Stores v Burchell EAT 1980 ICR 303</a>, which is this;</p>
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<li>At the time the employee was dismissed, did the employer believe the employee had been guilty of misconduct?</li>
<li>Were there reasonable grounds for the belief?</li>
<li>Did the employer carry out as much investigation into the circumstances of the case as was reasonable in all the circumstances before dismissing the employee?</li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">There is thus no need for the employee to be guilty of the misconduct alleged, it is instead a case of the employer carrying out a proper investigation and being able to justify why the decision to dismiss was taken. But as I mentioned above, if the facts aren&#8217;t clear and an employee is dismissed without the employer understanding the allegation and the impact that might have on their business, a claim for unfair dismissal or discrimination might result.  What is important are the facts as the employer understood them at the time of dismissal – so if later information becomes available that would help (or hinder) the employer’s case it is of no relevance to the issue of fairness. The test at (2) is an objective one.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In many of these cases, where the &#8220;misconduct&#8221; actually occurred away from the business and out of business hours, the employer might rely on &#8220;some other substantial reason&#8221; as the reason for dismissing the employee. This is a &#8220;catch all&#8221; category and allows an employer to dismiss an employee</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Was it reasonable for the employer to dismiss?  That question is governed by the “range of reasonable responses test” and if the employer reasonably thought that the alleged offence justified dismissal that will probably be sufficient.  Much will depend on what the employee stands accused of, when the offences occurred, what harm it might do to the employer in being associated with the employee.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">What of an employee sentenced to a term of imprisonment?  In that situation the contract of employment may be said to have been &#8220;frustrated&#8221; and thus brought to an end. That wouldn&#8217;t count as a dismissal nor a breach of contract and thus neither a wrongful nor unfair dismissal claim can arise.  However, the length of the prison sentence will need to be lengthy in comparison with the individual&#8217;s length of service.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"> What is clear is that knee-jerk responses should be avoided.  There must be a thorough investigation so that the employer knows what the employee is accused of.  For instance, what if the employee was genuinely caught up in the rioting, say foolishly, watching but not participating?  They might be said to be stupid, but criminally liable? Would dismissal be a reasonable response? In a few months time my guess is that  not only will we be seeing the criminal courts clogged up with people appealing the harshness of their sentences but also Employment Tribunals bursting with unfair dismissal claims by people dismissed from their jobs because of their alleged involvement in these riots.</p>
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